Learn more. Where did "you shall not pass" come from? Ask Question. Asked 8 years, 7 months ago. Active 3 years, 10 months ago. Viewed k times. He doesn't actually say that in the book. What is the reason for the shift? Improve this question. I think the answer to this probably could be demonstrated by having someone with a good Gandalf voice say equally forcefully, "You cannot pass" and "You shall not pass" - the first seems really weak and lame compared to the latter.
I imagine this was a theatrical improvement to make the language sound cooler. Likewise, Beam me up, Scotty has never appeared in any Star Trek series or movie. In the book Gandalf is asserting that the Balrog has no power to pass if the light Gandalf serves prevent him. In movies, it's all about conflict and risk between characters. PeteKirkham: you're bringing up an excellent point there. Show 6 more comments. Active Oldest Votes. Improve this answer.
That is not what that definition is saying at all. According to your quoted passage, the phrase should technically be "You will not pass. Hang on a minute: Tolkien used try and , and changed it back when his editor tried to correct it to try to. I challenge your assertion that he was always a prescriptivist.
He had an excellent ear for natural language. The OED -- which he actually worked on -- notes that "shall" "[i]n the second and third persons, express[es] the speaker's determination to bring about or, with negative, to prevent some action, event, or state of things in the future", which is exactly the meaning of Gandalf's phrase. Certainly Tolkien didn't write it that way, but I have a hard time believing that he couldn't have, at least not for the reasons you're suggesting.
In fact, Tolkien uses "you shall" as a command. Do a Google Books search for "you shall" in LotR and you come up with things like, "But the King said: 'So it must be, for you are appointed to the White Company, the Guard of Faramir, Prince of Ithilien, and you shall be its captain and dwell in Emyn Arnen in honour and peace Many of its assertions are Not Even Wrong, and they fail to follow their own advice within the book itself.
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